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    This is the email I sent Vosa

    Could you answer a debate which has been raging on an internet forum once and for all?

    It concerns the maximum towing weight of the vehicle towing against the plated maximum weight of the trailer (in this case we are talking horse trailers), it assumes the driver to have passed test prior to 1997

    group A believe that for example if the trailer has a plated weight of 2800kg then you should only tow with a vehicle that has a towing weight of 2800kg or more and that if you towed with a vehicle with a maximum tow weight of 2600kg even if you were only pulling a shetland it would be illegal. To be legal you should have the trailer replated to 2600kg or buy a vehicle that can pull 2800kg or above

    Group B believe that is is only based on the actual weight being towed so if the trailer weighs 1000kg and the horse weighs 600 as long as your vehicle has a tow weight of 1601kg or above you are legal.

    Are either group right? If Group A are which law is it that states this.

    Whichever group is right can you advise where this is written down, we can find several recommendations but no actual laws?

    Both groups want to make sure that no-one is breaking the law or is libel to be fined, equally they want to make sure people aren't buying bigger tow cars for no reason.

    Many Thanks


    and this the response I got

    Karen I refer to your mail of 20 June to VOSA Enquiries on the above subject which has been passed to me to answer. There are two aspects to your question, the technical capability of the car to tow the weight, and driving licence limitations. There is no technical problem with the gross vehicle weight of the trailer exceeding a car's towing capability providing its actual weight does not exceed the towing capability, or if the car also has a stated train weight on its manufacturers plate and the weight of the car, trailer and load does not exceed that train weight . It is entirely normal for vehicles totow trailers which have a GVW exceeding the towing or GTW capability. Most HGV artic combinations are like this. For driving licence purposes, however, if drivers only have a category B driving licence entitlement then if the trailer exceeds 750 kg GVW then the trailer GVW must not exceed the unladen weight of the car and the totalof the trailer and car GVWs must not exceed 3500 kg. The combination of a trailer with a GVW of 2800 kg (or 2600 kg for that matter) could not therefore be driven on a category B licence. It can however be driven on a category BE ( or B+E on some licences) which anybody who passed their driving test before 1 January 1997 will have. This category does not have the trailer weight or relative combination size limitations. If they haven't got the BE / B+E licence (people need to look at the licence photocard reverse for entitlements) then they will need to take an extra trailer test to get the BE entitlement. According to the above and referring to your mail it is Group B that arecorrect. Group A are getting confused about issues related to category Bdriving licence restrictions which are irrelevant in the forum context ofpre-1997 qualified drivers. I hope this answers your question adequately. Steve Whitehart Heavy Vehicle Process Manager Testing and Support Services Customer Service CentreVOSA Swansea


    So driving licence laws are quoted but still no laws on towing weights but I conceed it does look like you can tow with a less able car although I still wouldnt want to and I am guessing that you would only get a trailer replated if it affected your licence not because of the car? I do think this is something that could be put into a clear concise document as there is so much confusion out there.
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    Excellent. Well done Wibble
    This is what I always understood to be the case.
    Last edited by Ayrton; 30-06-2011 at 18:59.

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    Brilliant, thanks Wibble! It clears up alot!

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    So in other words it doesnt matter what your trailer is plated to carry as long as your ACTUAL weight does not exceed the cars capacity if/when they weigh you???

    Brilliant!!! Means I am legal to tow my trailer empty after all (I have the trailer and car licence)

    Listen, smile, agree and then do whatever the hell you were going to do anyway.

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    Thank you so much for that Wibble, I tried several times to get through on the phone with no luck.

    Assuming you have the correct licence and you are sensible then there is nothing what so ever wrong with towing a trailer with a MAM that exceeds the weight of the car's towing limit, assuming the actual gross limit you are actually towing is within the cars capabilities.

    That is pretty much what I thought, and what David was saying, but I couldn't agree with you more fully that it really should be a lot clearer.

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    Wow, well done, could they not point to the actual law set down anywhere though? Can I sell my thirsty truck now please? lol...
    I ride well, I enjoy my horses but I don't chase british wildlife for fun. End of.

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    I think this should definately be stickied
    Horses are for life not just for riding

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    Amazing work. I stand completely and utterly corrected and thank goodness you have put me right. HUGE apologies to anyone I have misled in the past.

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    Oh and I'm with skippy, I reckon the forum could benefit from this being stickied.

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    Thanks! It's great to know how we all stand.

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