Brown vs. Bay?

[Loopy]

No, Id say not. Our brown horse is very much not liver chestnut, but almost black in appearance.

[Rips]

They came be very similar, depending on the time of year - but Mocha, who I would consider brown, has a much 'flatter' coat colour then Odie, his has the a red aspect to it, no matter how dark he appears.

[Rips]

Hmm that makes sense, thank you all So by that description she is definitely bay! I wonder if the exmoor pony society has a different description of brown, as most exmoor I've seen are similar in colouring to Hoop, and they're often described as "brown". Although this one:

http://www.freewebs.com/theexmoorpony/Barney2.jpg

looks like she could be brown as she doesn't seem to have black points, is that right? I guess also horses change colour a lot since foals!

That looks likes a very dull staring liver chesnut to me!

[StormyJ]

An allele isn't a part of a gene, it is a version of a gene, i.e. black and red are the alleles. AFAIK Agouti is a gene that acts on the gene for black/red

[Soot]

I do think the Exmoors have their own colour classifications. I think Notpoodle tried to explain it to me once, but I fell asleep ....

[8-legged-pony]

I do think the Exmoors have their own colour classifications. I think Notpoodle tried to explain it to me once, but I fell asleep ....

I think Exmoors are a bit different too, apparently they are lacking the "red gene" which is why you don't get any chestnut ones.

This is what Hoopy has turned into with her summer coat, now a reddish bay