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    I think I have recently learnt that many horses which we call bay (or maybe that was just me) are actually brown.

    If a bay horse has a paler areas near muzzle, stifle back of eye then it is brown regardles of black legs, mane and tail. That is it is genetically brown as browns can have black on them. Proper bays have no paler area that may change in winter. So lets see some examples...

    Here is my now brown mare who is passported as bay as so many racerhorses are.

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    paler bits


    but just as connemaras are not technically dun (the ones that look it), I don't see these gene technicalities and correctness making much difference here, but on the US forum where these things are discussd in great detail it seems to really matter and is very interesting. But I like Belle being brown rather rather bay
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    The paler areas are not to be confused with countershading or pangare
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrd View Post
    The paler areas are not to be confused with countershading or pangare

    You are not allowed to confuse me further , but I know about pangare as it is often a feature of haflingers with paler legs and belly

    Hattie and a bit of pangare


    and yearling Gilda's
    - winter coats show it better.
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    Donny is passported brown. A lot of people assume all dark browns are bay though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabio's filly! View Post
    Donny is passported brown. A lot of people assume all dark browns are bay though.

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    Yep, that is really what I'm saying, but not just dark browns, some horses that are bright "bays" are actually brown. I need to find some photos...
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    Had better pics i thought were on my phone but must be on the camera! Typical!

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    Can't find photos...but this discussion is brilliant (and shows my ignorance) the first example looked bay to me....but isn't.
    http://www.horseforum.com/horse-colo...-heavy-129411/
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    Here's another for you, bay or brown


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    I always thought that for a horse to be classed as brown that it couldn't have black points or black mane & tail (well that's how it was explained to me 20 odd years ago!)

    But then again 20 odd years ago Tobiano hadn't been invented either! It still strikes me as odd though that in the USA they seem to have far more definitions of colour (and are far pickier about it) than we do.

    From the pics I would say that Donny is brown and Belle is bay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrd View Post
    Here's another for you, bay or brown


    Top one bay with pangare or brown, bottom one bay?
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